{"id":1010,"date":"2019-04-29T17:27:10","date_gmt":"2019-04-29T16:27:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.podularity.com\/thehedgehogandthefox\/?p=1010"},"modified":"2019-04-29T17:27:10","modified_gmt":"2019-04-29T16:27:10","slug":"evolving-animal-orchestra","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.podularity.com\/thehedgehogandthefox\/2019\/04\/29\/evolving-animal-orchestra\/","title":{"rendered":"Henkjan Honing: In search of the origins of musicality"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/w.soundcloud.com\/player\/?url=https%3A\/\/api.soundcloud.com\/tracks\/613133241&amp;color=%2397b49c&amp;auto_play=false&amp;hide_related=false&amp;show_comments=true&amp;show_user=true&amp;show_reposts=false&amp;show_teaser=true\" width=\"100%\" height=\"166\" frameborder=\"no\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe>This week, the Hedgehog and the Fox investigate the origins of human musicality by looking for musical ability and perception in other animals, including rhesus macaques, zebra finches, a cockatoo named Snowball, and Ronan, a headbanging California sea lion. Our guide to this <a href=\"https:\/\/mitpress.mit.edu\/books\/evolving-animal-orchestra\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><em>Evolving Animal Orchestra<\/em><\/a>, as his book title puts it, is <a href=\"https:\/\/www.uva.nl\/profiel\/h\/o\/h.j.honing\/h.j.honing.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Henkjan Honing<\/a>, professor of music cognition at the University of Amsterdam.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_1019\" style=\"width: 670px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1019\" class=\"size-large wp-image-1019\" src=\"https:\/\/www.podularity.com\/thehedgehogandthefox\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/Henkjan-Honing-1024x686.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"660\" height=\"442\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.podularity.com\/thehedgehogandthefox\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/Henkjan-Honing-1024x686.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.podularity.com\/thehedgehogandthefox\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/Henkjan-Honing-300x201.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.podularity.com\/thehedgehogandthefox\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/Henkjan-Honing-768x515.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.podularity.com\/thehedgehogandthefox\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/Henkjan-Honing-1000x670.jpg 1000w, https:\/\/www.podularity.com\/thehedgehogandthefox\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/Henkjan-Honing.jpg 1200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 660px) 100vw, 660px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-1019\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Henkjan Honing, \u00a92 012 Eduard Lampe<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Henkjan takes as his starting point a conjecture of Charles Darwin\u2019s from <a href=\"https:\/\/www.penguin.co.uk\/books\/34387\/the-descent-of-man\/9780140436310.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><em>The Descent of Man<\/em><\/a>, published in 1871:<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u2018The perception, if not the enjoyment, of musical cadences and of rhythm is probably common to all animals and no doubt depends on the common physiological nature of their nervous systems.\u2019<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Henkjan\u2019s book is not about the origins of music, but the structure of musicality, that collection of attributes that enable us to make and appreciate music, such as perception of a regular beat or the ability to imitate a melody. If such traits are based on our cognitive abilities and biological predispositions, it makes sense to look for them in other animals. All sorts of fascinating hypotheses then open up: if musicality is a sensitivity that humans share with many non-human species, it may have preceded the development of music and of language, but enabled both. Music would then not be a mere by-product, something delicious but ultimately useless, \u2018auditory cheesecake\u2019, as evolutionary psychologist <a href=\"https:\/\/stevenpinker.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Steven Pinker<\/a> posited, but foundational.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_1015\" style=\"width: 670px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1015\" class=\"size-large wp-image-1015\" src=\"https:\/\/www.podularity.com\/thehedgehogandthefox\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/pinker-how-mind-works-snippet-1024x231.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"660\" height=\"149\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.podularity.com\/thehedgehogandthefox\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/pinker-how-mind-works-snippet-1024x231.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.podularity.com\/thehedgehogandthefox\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/pinker-how-mind-works-snippet-300x68.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.podularity.com\/thehedgehogandthefox\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/pinker-how-mind-works-snippet-768x173.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.podularity.com\/thehedgehogandthefox\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/pinker-how-mind-works-snippet-1000x226.jpg 1000w, https:\/\/www.podularity.com\/thehedgehogandthefox\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/pinker-how-mind-works-snippet.jpg 1178w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 660px) 100vw, 660px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-1015\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Steven Pinker, How the Mind Works<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Henkjan has been interested in musicality in animals for about a decade. But back in the 1980s, when he started his academic career, his focus was on computers, specifically applying AI techniques to the formalization of musical knowledge. This included a spell at the <a href=\"https:\/\/ccrma.stanford.edu\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Center for Computer Research in Music and Acoustics<\/a> at Stanford. I began our conversation by asking him about the transition from computers to animals.<\/p>\n<div class=\"box grey-box\"><em>The Evolving Animal Orchestra<\/em> is out now; it&#8217;s translated by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.flandersliterature.be\/translators\/sherry-macdonald\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Sherry Macdonald<\/a> and published by the <a href=\"https:\/\/mitpress.mit.edu\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">MIT Press<\/a>. you can follow Henkjan on Twitter <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/musiccognition\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">@musiccognition<\/a>.<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This week, the Hedgehog and the Fox investigate the origins of human musicality by looking for musical ability and perception in other animals, including rhesus macaques, zebra finches, a cockatoo&hellip; <a class=\"excerpt-more-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.podularity.com\/thehedgehogandthefox\/2019\/04\/29\/evolving-animal-orchestra\/\">Read More<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":1013,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[23,10,9,3],"tags":[16],"class_list":["post-1010","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-animals","category-music","category-natural-history","category-podcast","tag-podcast"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v26.9 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Henkjan Honing: In search of the origins of musicality - The Hedgehog and the Fox<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"How did human musicality evolve and what can we learn about it by studying non-human animals? 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